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Create harvard-oxford-brookes-university-citro.csl

Style designed to fit the Cite Them Right Online version of Harvard in use at Oxford Brookes University. Changes to Anon citations compared to other versions of Harvard.

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  • weixin_39897758 weixin_39897758 5月前

    OK, the Oxford Brookes Harvard style is now deleted. For well-working reference managers, it should be switched out in existing documents to cite them right, though otherwise users won't get any notification of that swap, so you'll have to inform them.

    We still have the style "Harvard - Oxford Brookes University - Faculty of Health and Life Sciences" which links to the style guide here: https://shsc-int.brookes.ac.uk/documents/view.php?fDocumentId=110 Do you know anything about that? Is that guide still in use?

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  • weixin_39889329 weixin_39889329 5月前

    Hello Sebatian,

    Many thanks for your help with this. I wan not aware that Health Care had their own Harvard style. I'm out of the office on holiday at the moment but will discuss this with the Health Care librarians once back at work. I'm pretty sure that they will be using Cite Them Right, but I will need to check.

    Many thanks,

    Gerard

    On 10 September 2014 06:11, Sebastian Karcher notifications.com wrote:

    OK, the Oxford Brookes Harvard style is now deleted. For well-working reference managers, it should be switched out in existing documents to cite them right, though otherwise users won't get any notification of that swap, so you'll have to inform them.

    We still have the style "Harvard - Oxford Brookes University - Faculty of Health and Life Sciences" which links to the style guide here: https://shsc-int.brookes.ac.uk/documents/view.php?fDocumentId=110 Do you know anything about that? Is that guide still in use?

    — Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub https://github.com/citation-style-language/styles/pull/1051#issuecomment-55071726 .

    Gerard Helmich

    IT Development Librarian Oxford Brookes University Headington Oxford OX3 0BP Tel: 01865 483132 E-mail: ghelmich.ac.uk

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  • weixin_39889329 weixin_39889329 5月前

    Dear Sebastian,

    many apologies for taking several months to get back to you about this. This guide is still in use as that department is still using a variant of Harvard.

    Regards,

    Gerard

    On 10 September 2014 at 06:11, Sebastian Karcher notifications.com wrote:

    OK, the Oxford Brookes Harvard style is now deleted. For well-working reference managers, it should be switched out in existing documents to cite them right, though otherwise users won't get any notification of that swap, so you'll have to inform them.

    We still have the style "Harvard - Oxford Brookes University - Faculty of Health and Life Sciences" which links to the style guide here: https://shsc-int.brookes.ac.uk/documents/view.php?fDocumentId=110 Do you know anything about that? Is that guide still in use?

    — Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub https://github.com/citation-style-language/styles/pull/1051#issuecomment-55071726 .

    Gerard Helmich

    IT Development Librarian Oxford Brookes University Headington Oxford OX3 0BP Tel: 01865 483132 E-mail: ghelmich.ac.uk

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  • weixin_39897758 weixin_39897758 5月前

    no worries. So we're all good here.

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  • weixin_39889329 weixin_39889329 5月前

    Dear Sebastian,

    please could we ask about a problem we are experiencing with the Zotero Harvard style. We have established that this should match Cite them Right. However, when we use the style to reference an e-book, the URL of the book is included. According to Cite them Right, the URL should not be used. Please could you advise if the style is, indeed including the URL for e-books and if this is correct. Are you able to supply some examples, please?

    On related issues, there is a style called Harvard - Oxford Brookes University - Faculty of Health and Life Sciences. Please would it be possible to change the name of this to :

    Harvard - Faculty of Life and Health Sciences - OBU.

    We believe this style, added by a postgraduate student, is being used incorrectly by non-Faculty of Health and Life Science students.

    Many thanks,

    Gerard

    On 6 January 2015 at 14:57, Sebastian Karcher notifications.com wrote:

    no worries. So we're all good here.

    — Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub https://github.com/citation-style-language/styles/pull/1051#issuecomment-68875059 .

    Gerard Helmich

    IT Development Librarian Oxford Brookes University Headington Oxford OX3 0BP Tel: 01865 483132 E-mail: ghelmich.ac.uk

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  • weixin_39541869 weixin_39541869 5月前

    Is this a distinct style that differs from the two OBU styles we already have? See https://zotero.org/styles?q=brookes

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  • weixin_39889329 weixin_39889329 5月前

    Hi Rintze,

    yes, we have made changes to match the way Cite Them Right Online says citations should be styled for Harvard. This isn't quite the same as the others, otherwise we would have used one of the existing ones. I didn't create the style, so cannot immediately identify the changes, but I believe one difference in the way anonymous citations are handled. The person who can comment on all the differences is out of the office until the 12th of August.

    Regards,

    Gerard

    On 7 August 2014 18:37, Rintze M. Zelle notifications.com wrote:

    Is this a distinct style that differs from the two OBU styles we already have? See https://zotero.org/styles?q=brookes

    — Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub https://github.com/citation-style-language/styles/pull/1051#issuecomment-51505115 .

    Gerard Helmich

    IT Development Librarian Oxford Brookes University Headington Oxford OX3 0BP Tel: 01865 483132 E-mail: ghelmich.ac.uk

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  • weixin_39541869 weixin_39541869 5月前

    This isn't quite the same as the others, otherwise we would have used one of the existing ones.

    But all the three variants are in use? I.e., we can't just fix "Harvard - Oxford Brookes University"?

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  • weixin_39897758 weixin_39897758 5月前

    the other question I have is whether the existing Cite Them Right style https://github.com/citation-style-language/styles/blob/master/harvard-cite-them-right.csl would do. I'd love to consolidate all those Harvard styles some.

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  • weixin_39889329 weixin_39889329 5月前

    Hi Sebastian,

    sorry for the delay in getting back to you - I've been out of the office.

    I'm not certain that the existing Cite Them Right style would do the trick. I believe that there have been changes between the current edition and older versions of Cite Them Right (I can check with colleagues if you need the details on this), which is why we did our own. We also need to lead people away from the "Brookes" styles currently uploaded, which are now erroneous. We'd much prefer to have the Brookes branding on the style we use as we are Oxford Brookes Library staff, and it's us who are driving the University to use Cite Them Right Online. Because it's the Library who have generated our proposed style document, we would have commitment to keeping it up to date, which is where the other styles marked "Brookes" are falling down and failing our users.

    I'm not certain that it's ever going to be possible to have one single Harvard system. Each organisation seems to want to amend it slightly (our Business School, for example, uses its own variation, for example), which is very annoying. This is why we're pushing for Cite Them Right Online, though we know that this, too, will change with future editions.

    Many thanks,

    Gerard

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  • weixin_39897758 weixin_39897758 5月前

    oh, of course we're not going to have one single Harvard system. But since you're using Cite Them Right anyway, I'd much prefer we just improve that and point users to that. I did try to follow the current (9th) edition. Where there are problems in the implementation, we should fix that. We can take down the existing Oxford Brookes CSL or could even consider just pointing it to Cite Them Right (i.e. make it a dependent style) if it's important for you to have the label.

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  • weixin_39889329 weixin_39889329 5月前

    Hi Sebastian,

    many thanks for your reply. I think it best that I discuss this with my colleagues, as I'm not sure what approach they would prefer (other than having a Brookes style created by Brookes Library staff). It will be next week before we will be able provide you with a response due to staff leave - hope that's OK with you.

    Many thanks,

    Gerard

    On 12 August 2014 14:14, Sebastian Karcher notifications.com wrote:

    oh, of course we're not going to have one single Harvard system. But since you're using Cite Them Right anyway, I'd much prefer we just improve that and point users to that. I did try to follow the current (9th) edition. Where there are problems in the implementation, we should fix that. We can take down the existing Oxford Brookes CSL or could even consider just pointing it to Cite Them Right (i.e. make it a dependent style) if it's important for you to have the label.

    — Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub https://github.com/citation-style-language/styles/pull/1051#issuecomment-51911569 .

    Gerard Helmich

    IT Development Librarian Oxford Brookes University Headington Oxford OX3 0BP Tel: 01865 483132 E-mail: ghelmich.ac.uk

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  • weixin_39897758 weixin_39897758 5月前

    sure, just come back to this when you have a better idea of your colleagues' preferences.

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  • weixin_39897758 weixin_39897758 5月前
    • any news on this?
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  • weixin_39889329 weixin_39889329 5月前

    Hi Sebastian,

    yes, and apologies forthe delay. It really was only yesterday before we resolved what to do. We think it's best that we use the existing Cite Them Right style already available, though it isn't exactly the same as the one we created. This will simplify everything.

    As for the existing Brookes Harvard styles, please could these be removed, as they are providing incorrect formatting.

    Many thanks for your help with this.

    Best wishes,

    Gerard

    On 4 September 2014 06:26, Sebastian Karcher notifications.com wrote:

    https://github.com/Helmig - any news on this?

    — Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub https://github.com/citation-style-language/styles/pull/1051#issuecomment-54408982 .

    Gerard Helmich

    IT Development Librarian Oxford Brookes University Headington Oxford OX3 0BP Tel: 01865 483132 E-mail: ghelmich.ac.uk

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  • weixin_39897758 weixin_39897758 5月前
    • what happens to users if we delete the existing style? Do we have a way to shift them to Cite Them Right the way we do with renaming?
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  • weixin_39889329 weixin_39889329 5月前

    Hi Sebastian,

    I don't know what will happen to existing users, but if they use the "Brookes" Harvard style, it will result in their bibliographies not meeting the specification set by the University. We will be telling people to use the Cite Them Right style, not Brookes Harvard. There may be people using the Brookes Harvard style without realising that it was not created by the University and that it is incorrect. Do you have any suggestions please as to the best way forward with this?

    Many thanks,

    Gerard

    On 4 September 2014 17:00, Sebastian Karcher notifications.com wrote:

    https://github.com/rmzelle - what happens to users if we delete the existing style? Do we have a way to shift them to Cite Them Right the way we do with renaming?

    — Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub https://github.com/citation-style-language/styles/pull/1051#issuecomment-54501061 .

    Gerard Helmich

    IT Development Librarian Oxford Brookes University Headington Oxford OX3 0BP Tel: 01865 483132 E-mail: ghelmich.ac.uk

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  • weixin_39897758 weixin_39897758 5月前

    right, I understand that, but if we just delete the style from the repository it's possible that it will also be deleted from users' software and they'll get an error message when opening a file using that style, which we'll obviously want to avoid. That's not a question for you to answer, though, that was for my co-maintainer.

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  • weixin_39541869 weixin_39541869 5月前

    what happens to users if we delete the existing style? Do we have a way to shift them to Cite Them Right the way we do with renaming?

    It works the exact same way. Just delete the style, and add an entry to renamed-styles.json ("deleted-style": "replacement style").

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  • weixin_39889329 weixin_39889329 5月前

    Hi Rintze,

    many thanks for your reply. I'm still not sure what the best approach to this is, but the existing "Brookes" style will result in the user generating a bibliography that will be marked down due to the incorrect format. Maybe it's better that the user has to seek advice from the Library when they cannot use the style they have previously worked with, rather than hand in work with an incorrect bibliography. What do you think?

    Best wishes,

    Gerard

    On 7 September 2014 03:15, Rintze M. Zelle notifications.com wrote:

    what happens to users if we delete the existing style? Do we have a way to shift them to Cite Them Right the way we do with renaming?

    It works the exact same way. Just delete the style, and add an entry to renamed-styles.json ("deleted-style": "replacement style").

    — Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub https://github.com/citation-style-language/styles/pull/1051#issuecomment-54734975 .

    Gerard Helmich

    IT Development Librarian Oxford Brookes University Headington Oxford OX3 0BP Tel: 01865 483132 E-mail: ghelmich.ac.uk

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  • weixin_39897758 weixin_39897758 5月前

    don't worry about it. We'll handle the technical part & post here when it's done.

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