doucou1892 2013-05-16 18:17
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如何使用河豚散列长密码(> 72个字符)

The last week I read a lot articles about password hashing and Blowfish seems to be (one of) the best hashing algorithm right now - but that's not the topic of this question!

The 72 character limit

Blowfish only consider the first 72 characters in the entered password:

<?php
$password = "Wow. This is a super secret and super, super long password. Let's add some special ch4r4ct3rs a#d everything is fine :)";
$hash = password_hash($password, PASSWORD_BCRYPT);
var_dump($password);

$input = substr($password, 0, 72);
var_dump($input);

var_dump(password_verify($input, $hash));
?>

The output is:

string(119) "Wow. This is a super secret and super, super long password. Let's add some special ch4r4ct3rs a#d everything is fine :)"
string(72) "Wow. This is a super secret and super, super long password. Let's add so"
bool(true)

As you can see only the first 72 characters matter. Twitter is using blowfish aka bcrypt to store their passwords (https://shouldichangemypassword.com/twitter-hacked.php) and guess what: change your twitter password to a long password with more than 72 characters and you can login to your account by entering only the first 72 characters.

Blowfish and Pepper

There are a lot different opinions about "peppering" passwords. Some people say it's unnecessary, because you have to assume that the secret pepper-string is also known/published so it doesn't enhance the hash. I have a separate database server so it's quite possible that only the database is leaked and not the constant pepper.

In this case (pepper not leaked) you make an attack based on a dictionary more difficult (correct me if this isn't right). If your pepper-string is also leaked: not that bad - you still have the salt and it's as good protected as a hash without pepper.

So I think peppering the password is at least no bad choice.

Suggestion

My suggestion to get a Blowfish hash for a password with more than 72 characters (and pepper) is:

<?php
$pepper = "foIwUVmkKGrGucNJMOkxkvcQ79iPNzP5OKlbIdGPCMTjJcDYnR";

// Generate Hash
$password = "Wow. This is a super secret and super, super long password. Let's add some special ch4r4ct3rs a#d everything is fine :)";
$password_peppered = hash_hmac('sha256', $password, $pepper);
$hash = password_hash($password_peppered, PASSWORD_BCRYPT);

// Check
$input = substr($password, 0, 72);
$input_peppered = hash_hmac('sha256', $input, $pepper);

var_dump(password_verify($input_peppered, $hash));
?>

This is based on this question: password_verify return false.

The Question

What is the safer way? Getting an SHA-256 hash first (which returns 64 characters) or consider only the first 72 characters of the password?

Pros

  • The user can't login by entering just the first 72 characters
  • You can add the pepper without exceeding the character-limit
  • The output of hash_hmac would probably have more entropy than the password itself
  • The password is hashed by two different functions

Cons

  • Only 64 characters are used to build the blowfish hash


Edit 1: This question adresses only the PHP integration of blowfish/bcrypt. Thank's for the comments!

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  • douzhulv1699 2013-05-16 21:00
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    The problem here is basically a problem of entropy. So let's start looking there:

    Entropy Per Character

    The number of bits of entropy per byte are:

    • Hex Characters
      • Bits: 4
      • Values: 16
      • Entropy In 72 Chars: 288 bits
    • Alpha-Numeric
      • Bits: 6
      • Values: 62
      • Entropy In 72 Chars: 432 bits
    • "Common" Symbols
      • Bits: 6.5
      • Values: 94
      • Entropy In 72 Chars: 468 bits
    • Full Bytes
      • Bits: 8
      • Values: 255
      • Entropy In 72 Chars: 576 bits

    So, how we act depends on what type of characters we expect.

    The First Problem

    The first problem with your code, is that your "pepper" hash step is outputting hex characters (since the fourth parameter to hash_hmac() is not set).

    Therefore, by hashing your pepper in, you're effectively cutting the maximum entropy available to the password by a factor of 2 (from 576 to 288 possible bits).

    The Second Problem

    However, sha256 only provides 256 bits of entropy in the first place. So you're effectively cutting a possible 576 bits down to 256 bits. Your hash step * immediately*, by very definition loses at least 50% of the possible entropy in the password.

    You could partially solve this by switching to SHA512, where you'd only reduce the available entropy by about 12%. But that's still a not-insignificant difference. That 12% reduces the number of permutations by a factor of 1.8e19. That's a big number... And that's the factor it reduces it by...

    The Underlying Issue

    The underlying issue is that there are three types of passwords over 72 characters. The impact that this style system has on them will be very different:

    Note: from here on out I'm assuming we're comparing to a pepper system which uses SHA512 with raw output (not hex).

    • High entropy random passwords

      These are your users using password generators which generate what amount to large keys for passwords. They are random (generated, not human chosen), and have high entropy per character. These types are using high-bytes (characters > 127) and some control characters.

      For this group, your hashing function will significantly reduce their available entropy into bcrypt.

      Let me say that again. For users who are using high entropy, long passwords, your solution significantly reduces the strength of their password by a measurable amount. (62 bits of entropy lost for a 72 character password, and more for longer passwords)

    • Medium entropy random passwords

      This group is using passwords containing common symbols, but no high bytes or control characters. These are your typable passwords.

      For this group, you are going to slightly unlock more entropy (not create it, but allow more entropy to fit into the bcrypt password). When I say slightly, I mean slightly. The break-even occurs when you max out the 512 bits that SHA512 has. Therefore, the peak is at 78 characters.

      Let me say that again. For this class of passwords, you can only store an additional 6 characters before you run out of entropy.

    • Low entropy non-random passwords

      This is the group who are using alpha-numeric characters that are probably not randomly generated. Something like a bible quote or such. These phrases have approximately 2.3 bits of entropy per character.

      For this group, you can significantly unlock more entropy (not create it, but allow more to fit into the bcrypt password input) by hashing. The breakeven is around 223 characters before you run out of entropy.

      Let's say that again. For this class of passwords, pre-hashing definitely increases security significantly.

    Back To The Real World

    These kinds of entropy calculations don't really matter much in the real world. What matters is guessing entropy. That's what directly effects what attackers can do. That's what you want to maximize.

    While there's little research that's gone into guessing entropy, there are some points that I'd like to point out.

    The chances of randomly guessing 72 correct characters in a row are extremely low. You're more likely to win the Powerball lottery 21 times, than to have this collision... That's how big of a number we're talking about.

    But we may not stumble on it statistically. In the case of phrases the chance of the first 72 characters being the same is a whole lot higher than for a random password. But it's still trivially low (you're more likely to win the Powerball lottery 5 times, based on 2.3 bits per character).

    Practically

    Practically, it doesn't really matter. The chances of someone guessing the first 72 characters right, where the latter ones make a significant difference are so low that it's not worth worrying about. Why?

    Well, let's say you're taking a phrase. If the person can get the first 72 characters right, they are either really lucky (not likely), or it's a common phrase. If it's a common phrase, the only variable is how long to make it.

    Let's take an example. Let's take a quote from the bible (just because it's a common source of long text, not for any other reason):

    You shall not covet your neighbor's house. You shall not covet your neighbor's wife, or his manservant or maidservant, his ox or donkey, or anything that belongs to your neighbor.

    That's 180 characters. The 73rd character is the g in the second neighbor's. If you guessed that much, you're likely not stopping at nei, but continuing with the rest of the verse (since that's how the password is likely to be used). Therefore, your "hash" didn't add much.

    BTW: I am ABSOLUTELY NOT advocating using a bible quote. In fact, the exact opposite.

    Conclusion

    You're not really going to help people much who use long passwords by hashing first. Some groups you can definitely help. Some you can definitely hurt.

    But in the end, none of it is overly significant. The numbers we are dealing with are just WAY too high. The difference in entropy isn't going to be much.

    You're better off leaving bcrypt as it is. You're more likely to screw up the hashing (literally, you've done it already, and you're not the first, or last to make that mistake) than the attack you're trying to prevent is going to happen.

    Focus on securing the rest of the site. And add a password entropy meter to the password box on registration to indicate password strength (and indicate if a password is overlong that the user may wish to change it)...

    That's my $0.02 at least (or possibly way more than $0.02)...

    As Far As Using A "Secret" Pepper:

    There is literally no research into feeding one hash function into bcrypt. Therefore, it's unclear at best if feeding a "peppered" hash into bcrypt will ever cause unknown vulnerabilities (we know doing hash1(hash2($value)) can expose significant vulnerabilities around collision resistance and preimage attacks).

    Considering that you're already considering storing a secret key (the "pepper"), why not use it in a way that's well studied and understood? Why not encrypt the hash prior to storing it?

    Basically, after you hash the password, feed the entire hash output into a strong encryption algorithm. Then store the encrypted result.

    Now, an SQL-Injection attack will not leak anything useful, because they don't have the cipher key. And if the key is leaked, the attackers are no better off than if you used a plain hash (which is provable, something with the pepper "pre-hash" doesn't provide).

    Note: if you choose to do this, use a library. For PHP, I strongly recommend Zend Framework 2's Zend\Crypt package. It's actually the only one I'd recommend at this current point in time. It's been strongly reviewed, and it makes all the decisions for you (which is a very good thing)...

    Something like:

    use Zend\Crypt\BlockCipher;
    
    public function createHash($password) {
        $hash = password_hash($password, PASSWORD_BCRYPT, ["cost"=>$this->cost]);
    
        $blockCipher = BlockCipher::factory('mcrypt', array('algo' => 'aes'));
        $blockCipher->setKey($this->key);
        return $blockCipher->encrypt($hash);
    }
    
    public function verifyHash($password, $hash) {
        $blockCipher = BlockCipher::factory('mcrypt', array('algo' => 'aes'));
        $blockCipher->setKey($this->key);
        $hash = $blockCipher->decrypt($hash);
    
        return password_verify($password, $hash);
    }
    

    And it's beneficial because you're using all of the algorithms in ways that are well understood and well studied (relatively at least). Remember:

    Anyone, from the most clueless amateur to the best cryptographer, can create an algorithm that he himself can't break.

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